Fracking debate in Yorkshire, March 2018

  Fracking debate in Yorkshire

Fracking creates a stir in both Yorkshire and Lancashire. On March 8th there is to be a debate in Yorkshire between the local MP Kevin Holinrake and the expert engineer Mike Hill from Lancashire. For a debate you need an impartial chair who is not aligned to either postiion. That chairman is Bishop James Jones, who like me has long been concerned about the environment.

https://www.ticketsource.co.uk/date/460519
DEBATE EVENT “This house believes that UK regulations make fracking safe”
2 tickets per applicant

“This house believes that UK regulations make fracking safe”
Proposed by Kevin Hollinrake MP
Opposed by Michael Hill C.Eng. MIET
Chaired by Bishop James Jones KBE
THURSDAY 8TH MARCH 7.00PM – 9.00PM
LADY LUMLEYS SCHOOL, SWAINSEA LANE, PICKERING, YO18 8NG
DOORS OPEN AT 6.45PM FOR A 7.00PM START
Please note that tickets are restricted to 2 per applicant
Organised by Kirkbymoorside Town Council

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I first heard Bishop Jones speak on the environment in about 2003, where he was introducing his book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jesus-Earth-James-Jones/dp/0281056234/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1519654370&sr=1-10&keywords=james+jones
It was good to see evangelicals in Lancashire being challenged on the environment, but I felt he was trying to draw too much out of the gospels.
I have considered environment for decades having read Carson’s Silent Spring in the 60s and when working for a mining company in Africa I could see many problems. In the 70s I found that churches were just not interested and in the early 80s the Board of social Responsibility in Jones’ future diocese of Liverpool ignored my request to put the environment on the agenda!
This is a brief and simple summary of my views on the environment
https://michaelroberts4004.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/gods-creation-and-the-environment/

It was only after the mid-80s that the churches belatedly became concerned about the environment and after 2010 most threw in their lot with anti-frackers and divestment, almost taking the lead of Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth. By 2014 fracking became the litmus-test on whether you were environmentally sound. I failed dismally, but that is another story.
Today within the Church of England almost all Green voices oppose fracking and support divestment and alternatives with approaches like those  Mark Lynas, late Sir David Mackay, Lord Deben and even groups like DECC, BGS are either side-lined or rebuffed. With the exception of the Fletcher/Holtham report, I have been unable to find church discussions on fracking which do not oppose it. They are also usually deficient in accuracy. This is the case within my diocese of Blackburn
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Local news in Yorkshire report the coming debate as here;
https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2512787/fracking—facts-and-fiction-debate/

Kirkbymoorside town council is to host a major debate on fracking in Pickering on March 8.
Chartered engineer Mike Hill will go head to head with Thirsk and Malton MP, Kevin Hollinrake at Lady Lumley’s School, Pickering at from 7 – 9pm
Mr Hollinrake, whose Thirsk and Malton constituency includes the fracking site at Kirby Misperton, will argue that UK regulation can make hydraulic fracturing safe.
Mr Hill, who has worked in the industry for 20 years, will make the case against this view.
The debate will be chaired by retired bishop, the Right Reverend James Jones KBE, formerly Bishop of Liverpool and as Chair of the Hillsborough Inquiry. Bishop Jones is presently an adviser to Amber Rudd, The Home Secretary.
Kirkbymoorside Town Council has opposed fracking activities locally since December 14.
Fracking has been expected in Ryedale since November 2017, when Third Energy said it was ready to start work at its KM8 well in Kirby Misperton.
Mike Hill, UK Expert Member|TWG Hydrocarbon BREF|JRC/EU Commission said:
“This debate is very important not just for Yorkshire but for the U.K. The Govt. position on fracking is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what unconventional fossil fuel (UFF) exploration means.
The severe risks to the public health, the environment and local economy have not been mitigated anywhere near adequately enough.
The wider implications for climate change are also being “confused” by the government. Fracking is not a bridge to a low carbon future and never was.
It is a bridge to nowhere, a dead end, and is in reality a far “dirtier” fuel to develop, in terms of green house gas emissions, than coal.
Add to that the propaganda being spread that we can somehow reduce our dependence on Russian gas and the entire case of fracking is totally destroyed.”
Kevin Hollinrake, MP, said:
“I welcome the opportunity to have an open debate about shale gas exploration in the constituency and to answer questions.
I believe that shale gas exploration is in our national interest and there are strong economic reasons for supporting it.
However, I do so only as long as we make sure development does not pollute the environment, reduces our carbon footprint and the impact to our landscape and communities are properly managed.”
Kirkbymoorside Town Mayor, Angus Ashworth said:
“I hope that this event will provide an opportunity for residents of Kirkbymoorside and the locality, to hear both points of view on the subject of fracking regulations.
I have every confidence that the evening will be informative to all parties and on behalf of
Kirkbymoorside Town Council
I would like to thank the speakers and chairman for agreeing to participate in this debate.”
Later this month, a Government appointed planning inspector will begin to examine the North Yorkshire joint minerals and waste plan, which will set policy on fracking for the next 20 years.
The day set aside for oil and gas submissions is a week after the Kirkbymoorside debate, on Tuesday 13 March.
The shale gas company, INEOS, is also expected to begin seismic testing for shale gas in its licence areas in North Yorkshire in 2018.

Bishop Jones has been recognised for his work on Hilsborough and has now retired to Yorkshire. He was interviewed for the Yorkshire Post in December 2017, where he also gave his very negative views on fracking
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/my-yorkshire-the-right-reverend-james-jones-kbe-1-8928850
Here Bishop Jones makes clear his opposition to fracking

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If you had to change one thing about Yorkshire what would it be? I would stop fracking in Yorkshire. I am seriously worried that the regulation is not coordinated or robust enough. I worry about the impact it will have on our water. The risks are too high. If the water ends up contaminated it could have a disastrous impact on our health, our agriculture, tourism and the whole economy of Yorkshire.

This needs a little consideration
JJ said; If you had to change one thing about Yorkshire what would it be? I would stop fracking in Yorkshire. I am seriously worried that the regulation is not coordinated or robust enough.
I say; At government departments etc eg PHE, HSE, EA DECC say that the regulation is robust. So why is the Bishop concerned. This concern sounds like an echo from Mike Hill, one of the debaters, who claims the regulations are thoroughly lacking and has convinced many local groups and churches about this.

JJ says; I worry about the impact it will have on our water. The risks are too high.
I say; What grounds? This is the standard anti-fracking argument whichdoes not hold water.
JJ says; If the water ends up contaminated it could have a disastrous impact on our health, our agriculture, tourism and the whole economy of Yorkshire.
I say; The usual scare story put forward by Green NGOs like Friends of the earth, who under Andy Atkins (see below) mounted a campaign in Lancashire. Again no claim could be demonstrated.
I feel here that Bishop Jones has fallen for the usual anti-fracking scare stories, as have too many in the churches.
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Now back to Mr Hill.
Mr Hill has long claimed that regulations for fracking are very poor. He also wrongly claims that only ONE of the TEN recommendations in the RS/RAE report of 2012 have implemented, though many have challenged him. http://www.ukoog.org.uk/regulation
His views are widely accepted in the churches and it is clear he influenced the 2015 report on fracking from Blackburn diocese. This comes from his own website and members of the diocesan committee.
http://www.ctlancashire.org.uk/data/uploads/documents/issues/fracking/the-challenges-of-fracking-discussion-document-january-2015-final.pdf
The group claimed to take expert advice but the only “expert” mentioned in Mr Hill. The paper was very inaccurate with a gross bias along with bad theology.
My blog on it is here in which I took advice on many aspects which were beyond my skills .
https://michaelroberts4004.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/lancashire-churches-get-fracked/
In 2017 Mike Hill wrote a paper criticising the Church of England briefing paper on shale gas, which is the nearest to the official view of the church;
Shale Gas and Fracking A Briefing Paper from the Mission and Public Affairs Council and the Environment Working Group of the Church of England December 2016
https://cms.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2017-11/shale-gas-and-fracking.pdf
Here is Hill’s   review

Hill makes a lot of charges againon Shale Gas and Fracking is to be found on his website Shale Gas Office.
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/b0aabf_5902a55b06fd4338a56db38dd8687240.pdf

his

was used by the Blackburn environment Group to show why the Flectcher/Holtham paper was misguided; Among other things nearly all the references Hill uses are his own UNPUBLISHED papers.
https://michaelroberts4004.wordpress.com/2017/10/30/anglican-environmentalists-misguidedly-challenge-church-report-on-fracking/
I do wonder whether the Bishop’s concern for regulation comes from Mr Hill
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So much for Mr Hill,  back to Bishop Jones and to consider his previous connections with fracking.. Many will know of Friends of the Earth campaign in Lancashire against Cuadrilla. FoE were involved since 2011 and encouraged by their CEO Andy Atkins. Atkins visited anti-fracking groups in Lancashire on several occasions and gave some environmental awards. It culminated with the ruling of the Advertising Standards Authority against their leaflet seeking funds of their work
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-38499811
Andy Atkins was CEO of Friends of the Earth from c2010 to 2015 and encouraged the anti-fracking campaign in Lancashire, yet Jones praises him
“Andy (pictured) has been described as ‘one of the leading environmentalists’ by former Bishop of Liverpool Rt Rev James Jones, who chaired the independent panel on the Hillsborough disaster. ‘He’ll lead not only A Rocha UK – but also the whole Church – to a new level of action towards the earthing of heaven,’ said the bishop.”
http://arocha.org.uk/top-campaigner-to-lead-a-rocha-uk/
Divestment.

Jones along with 3 other retired bishops and numbers of clergy wrote this letter to the Guardian to divest from Exxon-mobil. There is not space here but some of the arguments are contentious and one-sided.
http://brightnow.org.uk/news/bishops-clergy-call-cofe-divest-exxon/

To conclude it is difficult to see Bishop Jones as an impartial chair for this debate as he is clearly anti-fracking and biased against petroleum.
All in all for a long time he has supported a negative view of fracking , repeats their myths and seems to back FoE

To it, does not bode well for a debate like this.

7 thoughts on “Fracking debate in Yorkshire, March 2018

  1. Martin Brampton

    By your logic debates in Parliament are all one sided because the Speaker is a Conservative. In fact, the Speaker has been criticised at times for going too far in his commitment to impartiality. If you want rival views to be discussed, I’m surprised you are not welcoming an opportunity for both Kevin Hollinrake and Mike Hill to speak to the public. The event is carefully constructed so as to be completely fair to both of them. That people are interested to hear them is confirmed by the demand for tickets.

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  2. Lorraine Allanson

    Michael, perhaps the organisers did not verify Mike Hills CV? The opponents to shale gas seem unable to take constructive criticism. Mike Hill has previously claimed he is an expert advisor to the EU. In fact, the Northern Echo attributed that accolade to him the other day when promoting the event. Mike Hill is a member of civil society on the EU Commission and is not employed as a technical advisor. There is a difference.

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    1. michaelroberts4004 Post author

      What baffles me is why Hill trespasses on areas like geology where he has no competence. I would like to know what oil and gas experience he actually has. Now I have none as I worked in base metals

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  3. wkdawson

    The politicians make no mention of any of the rock formations that are associated with ground water or fracking. Just proposing a ban based upon the vague notion that fracking might be bad for the ground water is not a good policy discussion. The issue should be examined first by people who do understand hydrology and petroleum engineering and also know those formation; then their assessments should be made available for discussion. If those professional assessments suggest that there are unique issues in Yorkshire, then there is sound reason to seek regulations, otherwise, I think it is premature.

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  4. Ken Wilkinson

    Quite why Mike Hill should be called is odd. He claims to have worked for 20 years in oil and gas, yet his Linked in profile talks about process engineering and software. Quite how that qualifies one as an ‘expert’ especially when it comes to drilling issues, eludes me.
    He misled another newspaper on fracking in another debate. https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=02280-14

    He misled Medact and they had to rewrite their report of 2015. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/31/expert-report-that-persuaded-doctors-to-oppose-fracking-written-by-activist/

    He has no qualifications to talk about drilling issues that I have ever seen evidence of.

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